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Winston001
26-12-2004, 11:29 PM
Here I am, on holiday but quietly moaning with pain, and I've been able to self-diagnose using a tiny copper cable.

Earlier in the day, I decided to give my children and another family rides on the back of a trail bike, in Arrowtown. Through the trees, a couple of river crossings, water everywhere - loads of fun. At one point I had to grab the handlebars very firmly to prevent the bike falling on its side. POPwent my shoulder and I knew this was significant because there was an iota of pain. We shall draw a veil over the details.

Anyway, my reluctance to seek medical help (I've had worse :@@: ) lead me to searching the Web.

And there it was - a ruptured biceps tendon. The descriptions from various medical sites are spot-on.

As to what now? Well, it depends on how I feel in the morning. Looks like a sling and anti-inflammatories should do the job. My wife finds this all rather difficult as she thinks I should be at the doctor immediately. Quacks :nerd: What do they know?

Anyway the point is simply to reflect upon what astonishing technology the internet is. Its the middle of the night, my shoulder is bloody sore, my wife is concerned, and now I can explain whats wrong.

Marvellous. Mind you, the holiday is now partly buggered but at least we haven't had any earthquakes. Unlike Thailand and India. Poor people.

Cicero
26-12-2004, 11:34 PM
[QUOTE=Winston001]Here I am, on holiday but quietly moaning with pain, and I've been able to self-diagnose using a tiny copper cable.

I hope you didn't put it in the wrong place :rolleyes:

Cicero
27-12-2004, 05:37 PM
It would seem Winston that it is all taken for granted,at least we remain amazed at the world that it opens up for us. :rolleyes:

beetle
27-12-2004, 05:52 PM
Ha ha W001 well you cant sue for misdiagnosis as it was you who diagnosed....LOL and what was there on the net today, may be gone tomorow.... so they may never have been there at all, info or other you found.

But seriously, go to the dr's get it sorted and feel the pocket lightness ;) easing the burden of pain....

Take care, W001, :lol: :lol:

Please be careful next time.

And amazing what a laptop can do when a man is not in a civilised area...... out in the wops again W001?????

:D

honestly i have not been down your way for ages.....promise i wasnt there, and made ya fall off.

Metla
27-12-2004, 05:56 PM
meh....Self-diagnoses=bad.Without wishing to offend,You simply have no idea what your talking about,and seem to be looking for opinions that agree with your wish not to see a doctor.

Even doctors get it wrong,and they are trained for years.

Not that it makes any difference to me,Only time i go to the doctor is when im carried in.......

Greg
27-12-2004, 07:24 PM
meh....Self-diagnoses=bad.Without wishing to offend,You simply have no idea what your talking about


I kinda agree with Winston - I've used the Net for some self-diagnosis; if the symptoms are noticeable enough and the diagnosis from online sites is informed enough, there can be little doubt. Not a lot more complex than using a Google to help finding a PC solution - if you can't intelligently use accurate diagnosis yourself then you should be paying third party people to repair your computers and cut your lawn - about the same difference.

I found the the info I got to be remarkably astute. And better still, the information I got revealed to me that the unutterable agony that I experienced and dibilitating effects I suffer aren't dangerous enough for me to have to run widdling to a Doctor for emergency surgery - ie I am able to make an intelligent decision on what risk I'm at.

Andrew B
27-12-2004, 07:44 PM
Last year I fell and injured my knee, and it hurt heaps. So I got myself taken to the emergency dept of the local hospital. After examinations and xrays, a diognosis: a ruptured patella tendon. (I knew something was badly wrong, my kneecap was further up my leg than normal) Two operations later and 3 months off work, it was all fixed up. And all paid for by ACC. I am glad i didn't resort to the internet for a diognosis.

personthingy
27-12-2004, 08:53 PM
meh....Self-diagnoses=bad.Without wishing to offend,You simply have no idea what your talking about,and seem to be looking for opinions that agree with your wish not to see a doctor.

Even doctors get it wrong,and they are trained for years.

Not that it makes any difference to me,Only time i go to the doctor is when im carried in.......

Got to agree with you about never going to a doc.. EVERY time ive gone ive regreted it, apart from when i got nasty little infection a couple of years or so years back.
With a few healthy options, doctors become largely redundant. With knowledge so people can stay healthy a large load is taken off the medics. With knowledge, many can self medicate, again reducing the load on the medics. The net is indeed a wonderful thing.

Winston001
27-12-2004, 10:21 PM
Ok guys and gals. Don't get me wrong. I have enormous respect for the medical profession. And self-diagnosis can be dangerous. But on this occasion I believe I'm correct on the basis that 4 different sites, including the Mayo clinic and the American Orthopedists, all described my symptoms and experience accurately.

Really my point was to share, as Tom picked up, just what a marvelous world we live in. Gotta love it. :D

Sb0h
27-12-2004, 11:35 PM
Don't be too quick to put Doctor's on pedestals. Fair enough they have trained for many years, but they are all just walking encyclopedias. With a scientific mind and a bit of logical thought self diagnosis can be every bit as good as the doctor, no-one knows your body quite like you right?

Now I'm not advocating that everyone should start diagnosing themselves, that would be silly and dangerous doctor's have access to all sorts of tests and scans etc. But with some careful research you can in some cases work out what is wrong and get a "second opinion" from your Doc.

It worries me the number of piss poor doctors that are practicing. I have seen several over the last few years that really have dropped the ball. So don't be afraid to double check your doctor's diagnosis. They are only human (not super-human) and don't always get it right.

That's the end of my rant for the night. Hope you feel better soon Winston.

FoxyMX
28-12-2004, 04:43 PM
Earlier in the day, I decided to give my children and another family rides on the back of a trail bike, in Arrowtown. Through the trees, a couple of river crossings, water everywhere - loads of fun. At one point I had to grab the handlebars very firmly to prevent the bike falling on its side. POPwent my shoulder and I knew this was significant because there was an iota of pain.

Oh, the embarassment - you couldn't even have bragging rights about some magnificent Crusty Demon manoevre that somehow went wrong... :o

JJJJJ
28-12-2004, 07:56 PM
Not that it makes any difference to me,Only time i go to the doctor is when im carried in.......[/QUOTE]

Those used to be my sentiments too. If I was sick or injured I worked on the theory ,"Ignore it and it will go away"

But believe me the older you get the more essential it becomes to visit a doctor. In my case I was at the doctors with eye problems and he arranged surgery for me. As I was leaving he suggested taking my blood pressure. I wasn't particularly interested but agreed.
My blood pressyre was 210 over 95. Doctor nearly had a fit. I wasn't very worried as I felt OK. He told me I couold have a heart attack or a stroke at any time and it could be fatal. OOPS!
A course of pills fixed it and blood is now a healthy 130 over 45.

The point is. Visit a doctor regularly even if you are not sick.
It could save a lot of problems.
Jack :thumbs:

Cicero
29-12-2004, 03:40 PM
The point is. Visit a doctor regularly even if you are not sick.

What would you say is regular,once a month or what?We do like to be punctilious about these things. ;)

TonyF
29-12-2004, 03:45 PM
JJJJJ says :-
and blood is now a healthy 130 over 45.


Now that is a good figure !
Better than most of us.

We should all rush off to get measured and publish the results here...

Cheers Tony

JJJJJ
29-12-2004, 04:03 PM
The point is. Visit a doctor regularly even if you are not sick.

What would you say is regular,once a month or what?We do like to be punctilious about these things. ;)

Just my opinion. If you're fit and under 40 once a year. If you're over seventy about every three months.

Ask your doctor. They are not all morons. :D

Jack

Graham L
29-12-2004, 04:47 PM
"a tiny copper cable"....

Some people think that a copper bracelet will cure/prevent rheumatism or arthritis.:D And the less said about magnets the better.

Someone once said the function of a doctor is to entertain you while you get well. Or not.

godfather
29-12-2004, 04:50 PM
Oh dear Winston. That sounds painful.

Have you considered that you may (will) need ACC for this complaint in the future however, and without a real medical history (diagnosis) that could be tricky - even for a lawyer.

I doubt that ACC would take the temporary internet file copies as proof of claim somehow.

Winston001
29-12-2004, 08:06 PM
Do you mean to say GF, that ACC haven't head of Google? :illogical

A quick update. After musing Jack's comments, I went to the doctor today. He confirmed the diagnosis and conservative treatment ie. antiinflammatories and a bit of physio. Basically grin and bear it.

However GF makes a very good point. I might need part of the tendon removed eventually (keyhole surgery) and ACC won't be interested if there is no record of the accident. So that is another angle and one which I hadn't considered.

:cool:

Cicero
29-12-2004, 08:29 PM
Do you mean to say GF, that ACC haven't head of Google? :illogical

A quick update. After musing Jack's comments, I went to the doctor today. He confirmed the diagnosis and conservative treatment ie. antiinflammatories and a bit of physio. Basically grin and bear it.

However GF makes a very good point. I might need part of the tendon removed eventually (keyhole surgery) and ACC won't be interested if there is no record of the accident. So that is another angle and one which I hadn't considered.

:cool:

Why does the play,"Much ado about nothing" come to mind? ;)

zqwerty
29-12-2004, 08:37 PM
The original accident should be logged in an "Accident Record Book", if you do it in company time, if not, then if it is on somebody elses property you need to speak to the people concerned about some sort of record being kept of the incident or go down the Accident and Emergency and make sure you get some sort of record of the mishap.

TonyF
29-12-2004, 08:41 PM
As Winston has found out, a chap with the GP did have benefits. I have a friend with a similar shoulder problem, and the specialist surgeon ( not a mere GP..) said shoulder surgery is more complicated than that for a knee, and that hydrocortisone injections are to be preferred. Friend has paid the bill ( ouch) and believes it has done some good... I will lend him a bit of copper wire, just in case, but I think a single malt would do more good.
Cheers Tony

Scouse
29-12-2004, 09:29 PM
Hi Winston. Used to be said that a defendant who represented when charged himself had a fool for a lawyer. I wonder if we could stretch that to say that a lawyer who diagnoses and treats his own ailments has a fool for a doctor?

Graham L
30-12-2004, 03:56 PM
When I had a detached retina a couple of years ago, I diagnosed it myself. I didn't use the Internet. I remembered the effects from a description I had read in a novel by C.P. Snow. ;)

So I went to the doctor to get myself referred to the hospital opthalmology department .

TonyF
30-12-2004, 04:04 PM
That, Graham L, is a novel approach !

But doctors these days are constantly confronted by patients who have read all about their condition on the internet... Sometimes this is a helpful situation... But it is sometimes useful to look at www.quackwatch.com...
Cheers T

Winston001
30-12-2004, 07:00 PM
Ouch Scouse! But fair comment.

In the interests of accuracy, and to give certain members the opportunity to say "told you so", there is a little more to tell.

I went to a physiotheriapist today. He discovered that I'd strained the AC joint in the shoulder. And the tendon may not be completely ruptured. This is good news because I should recover 80 - 90% normal function.

Anyway, the point is that I've never heard of AC joints and my internet travels did not mention this possibility. Mind you, the doctor didn't pick it up either.

So I'm off to eat some humble pie my dear wife is serving up. :D

godfather
30-12-2004, 07:07 PM
Whatever you do, please don't choke on the pie!
The Heimlich manoeuvre that would ensue may further injure the AC joint.
I am surprised that you had never heard of the acromioclavicular (AC) joint though, plainly your education was lacking in that field?

hsv-b0y
30-12-2004, 07:08 PM
Hahah, about 2 weeks ago we used self diagnosis... but then agen, 2 snapped wrists from jumping is pretty obvious!

By the way, It was 2 left wrists so there was 2 different people :P

Im the only clown who actually got the jump right....