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6ix
14-05-2010, 11:49 AM
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/3695625/Google-cars-gathered-home-internet-data-without-telling

Information collected included the names and unique numbers associated with residents' wireless networks. The data, which is publicly available, was used to give precise readings of people's locations if they were using Google's mobile map services.

Wow - that's an impressive effort!!

fred_fish
14-05-2010, 12:06 PM
Resistance is futile ...

jwil1
14-05-2010, 12:28 PM
Damn you google :mad:

wratterus
14-05-2010, 12:46 PM
I have seen this in action, probably about a year ago too.

I bought an Asus WL-520GU off trademe, installed it here and connected with a PDA. Fired up google maps on wifi, sure enough current location was a street address in central Auckland - checked the senders address on the package and the address was identical. Kind of creepy. :illogical

Sweep
14-05-2010, 12:52 PM
And of course all these wireless networks are secured and encrypted aren't they?
:lol:

R2x1
14-05-2010, 01:01 PM
It does rather helpfully offer a clue to previous ownership. Handy for insurance companies and the police I guess.
There will probably be a series of anguished cries and claims of discrimination from some groups. Will it be Google or the taxpayers being asked for compensation?

sroby
14-05-2010, 01:32 PM
Google IE toolbar(among others) = data-miner. I think thats more serious :for those that care ( I dont)

Even though I dont use any toolbars(& dont use IE), google seems to know where Ive been browsing. I can tell from the hits it gives in a google search.

Just who is Big Brother now ??

Gobe1
14-05-2010, 02:09 PM
Yeah you have to wonder, if microsoft or telecom did this there would be hell to pay....
Maybe this is no big deal but ..... i guess only time will tell

robsonde
14-05-2010, 02:15 PM
And of course all these wireless networks are secured and encrypted aren't they?
:lol:

this magic works by MAC address, the MAC address in unique worldwide.

*ALL* wifi sends out it's MAC address.

hidden network? it still sends out it's MAC.
encrypted network? it still sends out it's MAC.
MAC filtered? it still sends out it's MAC.

this system only uses the MAC, what the harm in that?

Sweep
14-05-2010, 02:21 PM
The point being they can't get your Data if the network is secure.

KarameaDave
14-05-2010, 03:00 PM
You can download a Windows application that can bypass the MAC address and give out a different one, can you not?
http://www.technitium.com/tmac/index.html

fred_fish
14-05-2010, 03:04 PM
They don't need or want your "data", they want your "profile".

The point being that they can tie that MAC address to a physical street address, as well as every 'google search' and every visit to a 'google-analytics' enabled website (try finding one that isn't) through that connection.

Can you imagine a random stranger surfing your street on 'street view', clicks on your house, then the "View search history" button? Oh, I see he's recently visited www.buy-big-ass-tvs.co.nz, might go check it out while he's at work. etc. etc.

OK, so the data being available to prospective burglars is a bit of a stretch, but in principle, the collection and linking of all of this "public" information about YOU makes this a plausible scenario.

R2x1
14-05-2010, 04:44 PM
Burglars are okay (sort of) because of their limited resources.

What worries me is the sinking feeling that the gummint will be blundering about, abusing this data like a maddened bull in a china shop. They will be annoying me, and I will be paying them to do it. Also, we will be the ones springing for the overpriced, over quantity and over specified equipment they will be misusing.
Of course, the Government may act responsibly in the face of this tempting array of data, but that would mean a lot more Tui billboards.

plod
14-05-2010, 06:46 PM
always wondered how their did wifi assisted gps

Paul.Cov
14-05-2010, 09:33 PM
Can you imagine a random stranger surfing your street on 'street view', clicks on your house, then the "View search history" button? Oh, I see he's recently visited www.buy-big-ass-tvs.co.nz, might go check it out while he's at work. etc. etc.

OK, so the data being available to prospective burglars is a bit of a stretch, but in principle, the collection and linking of all of this "public" information about YOU makes this a plausible scenario.

Yeah, but by that logic, and common statistical knowledge about internet traffic, much of the houses in the world will be packed to the rafters with real live porn stars and silicon stuffed bimbos. Add in a few Nigerian scammers and viagra salesmen to most houses as well.

Joking aside though, your original comment is a valid concern.
While I typically have the attitude that privacy freaks and civil libertarians can go drown in their own stupidity, I do have to admit that google has the potential to approach and cross a very fine line, very very easily. Gooooogle=Spoooooky

decibel
14-05-2010, 09:46 PM
The point being that they can tie that MAC address to a physical street address, as well as every 'google search' and every visit to a 'google-analytics' enabled website (try finding one that isn't) through that connection.

Physical address yes, but not your searching as an IP packet doesn't contain your MAC address, only your IP address.

fred_fish
15-05-2010, 01:20 AM
Physical address yes, but not your searching as an IP packet doesn't contain your MAC address, only your IP address.
This is correct, but it would be trivial for one of the MANY bits of google code running on your PC to extract it & submit it as part of a UID. It would not surprise me if it is already being done routinely, as the number of different devices a consumer uses would be a valuable bit of demographic data.

sroby
17-05-2010, 12:36 PM
Imagine the outcry, Senate hearings & massive fines if Microsoft had done this.

Snorkbox
04-08-2010, 12:29 AM
Looks like an update on this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10850875

Should I be worried?

Erayd
04-08-2010, 12:48 AM
What I find interesting is that nobody worries about Skyhook doing exactly the same thing (Skyhook powers Apple's WiFi location service, among other things, and is deployed on every iPad, iPod, and iPhone in existence).

Snorkbox
04-08-2010, 12:58 AM
Yep. If I owned an iWhatever crims would know where I am.

Goes off to get an iCanine and iRefuse to iMicrochip same.

gary67
04-08-2010, 08:05 AM
Yes but who would be fool enough to buy an iApple iWouldn't :lol:

The Error Guy
04-08-2010, 11:19 AM
dunno but there is this really weird thing out there, its called uh, encryption. use it. Thant and change your mac and ESSID and BSSID. problem (sorta) solved because google still associate your old info to your physical address

Nomad
04-08-2010, 11:30 AM
Google
Don't be Evil.